tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post115406530580880353..comments2024-01-23T11:00:45.457-08:00Comments on Rastî: THE KURDISH BACK DOORMizgînhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01850990661771197094noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154318498005952602006-07-30T21:01:00.000-07:002006-07-30T21:01:00.000-07:00You missed my point on MEK, Anonymous. My point i...You missed my point on MEK, Anonymous. My point is that here is a group that's on The List®, but certain groups close to, if not within, the US government and administration are not only putting forth pro-MEK arguments, but they are arguing for its removal from The List® for their own interests. Kind of like the Ankara regime's blindness to HAMAS presence on The List®.<BR/><BR/>Yet PKK, which has never targeted Americans or called for the annihilation of the Turkish people remains on The List®. The List® is a farce.<BR/><BR/>The US is not taking a risk in talking to PKK. Nor is PKK taking a risk in talking to CIA. PKK can smell games several kilometers away and CIA REEKS of games. So my attitude is talk to them, see what information you can get from them and then let them go on their way to play their happy games.<BR/><BR/>Whoever wants to depend on them, well, they'll get screwed in the end and don't come crying.Mizgînhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01850990661771197094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154198247508065932006-07-29T11:37:00.000-07:002006-07-29T11:37:00.000-07:00There are plenty of other opposition groups aside ...There are plenty of other opposition groups aside from the MEK that the US could turn to of course. So let's rule out MEK and try to focus more on those groups who have recently sat down in Washington. The U.S. is well aware that PDKI and Komala are actively recruiting members and have been training their recruits in Southern Kurdistan. Why would U.S. take such a risk in dealing with PKK just doesn't quite fit...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154166142427247942006-07-29T02:42:00.000-07:002006-07-29T02:42:00.000-07:00Bi xêr hatin Srusht û Urmiye. Srusht, of course p...Bi xêr hatin Srusht û Urmiye. <BR/><BR/>Srusht, of course politics is not a one-way street. It's a lot like bargaining at the bazaar, you compromise only to get the best deal for yourself. If you don't feel like you're getting the best deal, you don't buy. If you can't trust who you're buying from because you've been burned by them before, well, you should think long and hard before you start bargaining with them again.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you're getting addicted ;)<BR/><BR/>Anonymous, I agree that the US should have been working against Iran starting a long time ago. We might not be in the mess we're in now. Looking at American news media--TV--it seems like they're avoiding this whole Iran issue. The root of the problem in Lebanon, and much of it in Syria, leads directly to Teheran. I guess if they'd stop trying to report Lebanon as if it were a football game, they could focus on Iran.<BR/><BR/>The CIA may be talking to PKK because it is militarily active now. But I have another suspicion. I think they are feeling out the possibilities of drawing PKK's attention solely to Iran, thus relieving Turkey and maybe shutting Turkey up. Besides, if the Americans could convince the Turks that PKK was no longer a problem for them, because it were busy in Iran, then it might get Turkey to help out with Iran too. It would also help take care of US problems with Iran. If that suspicion has any truth to it, then the Americans are very naive because we all know that Turkey has a dirty finger in everyone's pie. But trying to divert PKK to Iran will not end Turkey's attacks against it, nor will it end the oppression of Kurds in the North.<BR/><BR/>Why else would the CIA talk to "PKK" but not talk to PJAK, the KONGRA-GEL organization that is dedicated to the fight against Iranian occupation? I'm sure the PKKers at Qandîl are far more wary than I am, so I really don't think anything will come of this.<BR/><BR/>Another point about the lack of US support for other Rojhelatî groups is that the darlings of the neocons have been MEK. The MEK has targeted and murdered Americans in the past, worked for Saddam against the Bashurî during the 91 serhildan, and is an FTO, according to the US. That means it's on The List®. But as late as last year, certain congressmen (like Tom Tancredo, R-CO) were proposing removing MEK from The List® so that they could use them against Iran. Daniel Pipes, a neocon, even made an apologia of <A HREF="http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1100" REL="nofollow">MEK</A> back in 2003. In his case, he wanted to use MEK as spies. Douglas Feith and Richard Perle have also had their names associated with MEK in a similar way.<BR/><BR/>Oh, yeah, MEK is also Marxist, so the US is VERY selective about which Marxists it will deal with and which former Marxists it will deal with. Example: PUK is a former Marxist group too, just like PKK.<BR/><BR/>All of this seems to point to the fact that the US will work with anyone that they think can help them in <I><B>their</B></I> interests.<BR/><BR/>Naturally I support PJAK and I agree that I, too, would prefer to see PJAK, Komala, and PDKI working together against a common enemy. By the way, a PJAK commander, from Çewllik province, was recently <A HREF="http://dozame.org/blog/2006/07/24/pjak-council-member-martyred-in-clashes-with-iranian-forces/" REL="nofollow">martyred</A>.<BR/><BR/>Şehîd namirin!Mizgînhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01850990661771197094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154147823326389882006-07-28T21:37:00.000-07:002006-07-28T21:37:00.000-07:00Thanks for your kindness. I am basing my views on...Thanks for your kindness. I am basing my views on the small movements, and particularly last summer's in which PDKI played a significant part. But perhaps you are right about PJAK, or perhaps I am right. We shall have to wait and see ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154133987841414292006-07-28T17:46:00.000-07:002006-07-28T17:46:00.000-07:00I am sorry for my first reply. I am used to see KD...I am sorry for my first reply. I am used to see KDP-I and Komala supporters constantly smearing PJAK instead of accepting them. It is not an excuse for reacting so harsh, but it makes me both sad and angry that some Kurds tries to smear another Kurdish party. My reply was misdirected. I apologize for my earlier reaction against you.<BR/><BR/>But still I do not share your view regarding how much support these parties has. I will never claim that Komala and KDP-I do not have support in eastern Kurdistan, but I believe that PJAK has become at least as popular as these parties. <BR/><BR/>We have a different view of "the reality on ground".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154130613811328402006-07-28T16:50:00.000-07:002006-07-28T16:50:00.000-07:00urmiye - No one in this discussion said they were...urmiye - No one in this discussion said they were "hardcore KDPI supportes". We are simply reporting the reality on the ground, which is that PDKI and Komala have widespread support in Eastern Kurdistan. They still have many members working inside and outside of Iran and are actively recruiting without any problems. Just because they are no longer active militarily at the moment does not mean that they are not active. Many in Eastern Kurdistan have strong ties to PDKI and Komala and the two parties still maintain a strong influence that PJAK lacks in the region.<BR/><BR/>In regards to PJAK. I have no problem with them personally. I believe PDKI and Komala should actually begin working with PJAK as well to create a stronger front against the IRI. Whether or not people like PJAK does not matter, because PJAK is a reality. The Kurdish parties in Iran must understand this reality and should all work together for the democratization of Iran and the self-sovereignty of Kurdistan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154130243235353112006-07-28T16:44:00.000-07:002006-07-28T16:44:00.000-07:00Do not look good to relations with America? If yo...Do not look good to relations with America? If you meant that America does not like Komala conservatives, that's a different story. It still does not explain why the U.S. has been reluctant to give full support to the PDKI.<BR/><BR/>And if you meant that Komala conservatives do not like American support, then you and those Komala members are wrong. Abdullah Moqtadi, Secretary General of the Komala Party participated in the recent conference, at the US Senate in Washington, DC. Many Iranian-opposition groups participated in this conference with the objective of gaining U.S. support for an eventual overthrow of the IRI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154129957040750302006-07-28T16:39:00.000-07:002006-07-28T16:39:00.000-07:00Funny to se hardcore KDP-I supporters trying to bo...Funny to se hardcore KDP-I supporters trying to boast the image of KDP-I&Komala and in the same time to make PJAK look small. You seem to be desperately aware of the strength that PJAK has gained in a short time. I have seen this desperate behavior of guys like so many times lately that it makes me laugh every time.<BR/><BR/>Why would USA want to cooperate with PJAK? Simply because they are the only active force in east Kurdistan and they are not so "new" as our friend here wants them to portray them as. <BR/><BR/>Claiming that PJAK is only strong in mixed cities would like saying that "KDP-I is only strong in the Mahabad". <BR/><BR/>And those that Wilgenburg is calling "hardline Komala conservaties" have their own party now. The Komala that is cooperating with KDP-I (which I think is something good, and something that would be even better if they could swallow their pride and also cooperate with PJAK). <BR/><BR/>And by the way my fellow Kurdish friends, you should be happy that PJAK exists, they made KDP-I and Komala to come closer to eachother :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154124708653331142006-07-28T15:11:00.000-07:002006-07-28T15:11:00.000-07:00According to Komala members, hardline Komala conse...According to Komala members, hardline Komala conservatives do not look good to relations with America.Wladimir van Wilgenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385344748812614455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154123739606945212006-07-28T14:55:00.000-07:002006-07-28T14:55:00.000-07:00No, you are incorrect. Komala and PDKI do not fea...No, you are incorrect. Komala and PDKI do not fear to get support from America. For one, PDKI is not communist. Second, they have actually been actively trying to get American support in Washington this past year but U.S. politicians have been rather unresponsive. We will leave the why's to the politicians. As we all know, politicians, particularly those in Washington, always take the dumber routes in solving world issues...<BR/><BR/>PDKI took a democratic approach in trying to negotiate with the Islamic Republic. They never actively supported the IR or any of it's policies. Every party has tried to play the political game at one point, so I don't see your point. And yes, PJAK is strongest in cities like Urmiye and Maku... however, their actual support among the cities' Kurdish natives is still not that strong as people like to think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154119962742766892006-07-28T13:52:00.000-07:002006-07-28T13:52:00.000-07:00Komala and KDP-I fear to get support from America....Komala and KDP-I fear to get support from America. Especially with their "communist" background.<BR/><BR/>KDP-I also tried to negiotate with the Islamic republic in the past. And you are right, PJAK is not very strong in Rojhelat. They are strongest in mixed cities with Azeri's.. like Urmiye, Mako, etc.Wladimir van Wilgenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385344748812614455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154117024333948592006-07-28T13:03:00.000-07:002006-07-28T13:03:00.000-07:00The Americans should have been using a back door a...The Americans should have been using a back door approach against Iran a long time ago. I am highly doubtful this approach is being taken with the help of PKK. There are several other opposition groups (two in particular that have total unconditional support from the majority of Eastern Kurds: PDKI and Komala) that America could have approached to create stronger opposition against Iran. PDKI and Komala at the moment are not militarily active but would be ready militarily if they had the support. Were there any kind of talks with the U.S., the two groups would be ready. They have only held minimal talks that hold no guarantee of U.S. support. Why would the U.S. instead approach PKK makes no sense... PJAK is still fairly new to the Eastern Kurdish population and despite their marginal success, they still do not hold the same amount of support than PDKI and Komala have enjoyed for decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-1154074088031888892006-07-28T01:08:00.000-07:002006-07-28T01:08:00.000-07:00Any deals cut with the Americans (and anyone else,...Any deals cut with the Americans (and anyone else, for that matter) must be cut, first and foremost, with Kurdish interests at heart.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Only then other interests may be considred. <BR/><BR/>u must know better politics is not one-way street.<BR/><BR/>i think iam becoming addicted to ur blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com