tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post8039355543279121545..comments2024-01-23T11:00:45.457-08:00Comments on Rastî: KERKUK, A CASE OF POISONING, THE CIA PROFILE DATABASEMizgînhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01850990661771197094noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-71918967834685411542008-12-18T17:06:00.000-08:002008-12-18T17:06:00.000-08:00I don't think anyone should listen to Apo wholehea...I don't think anyone should listen to Apo wholeheartedly and with complete seriousness since he's been in isolation for so long and his reportedly being poisoned/intoxicated by Turkish authorities.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, RojTV reported the statements above as well:<BR/>http://roj.tv/news/123/ARTICLE/1909/2008-12-05.html <BR/><BR/>Of course, it is all still possible that someone in Roj would copy this from the Turkish source as well that is all that can be found on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-59927536786060119072008-12-16T07:54:00.000-08:002008-12-16T07:54:00.000-08:00Can anyone provide Ocalan's thoughts on the Misak-...Can anyone provide Ocalan's thoughts on the Misak-i Milli pact with a source?<BR/><BR/>I also wanted to expand on my thoughts above just in case Aram or someone else assumes I didn't understand Ocalan's message.<BR/>I do agree with Mizgin and hamo that Ocalan is not suggesting that Turkey "invade" Kerkuk or Mosul but that since the Ottomans were able to establish their rule over and protect the rights of the citizens of the people living within the borders of the Misaki Milli, then the Turkish Republic can also assume that role as a Protector and Guarantor of those rights today.<BR/><BR/>But, rhetorically, it is an extremely provocative argument and a dangerous one! At best it is a pipe dream that Turkey will start to "protect" the rights of the Kurds and at worst it reinforces the idea that the Turkish state should have some say over Kerkuk or Mosul.<BR/><BR/>~nistimanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-51786250818380205642008-12-16T07:44:00.000-08:002008-12-16T07:44:00.000-08:00It makes absolutely no sense for Ocalan to be talk...It makes absolutely no sense for Ocalan to be talking about Misak-i Milli and stoking Turkish racist/ultra-nationalist sentiment.<BR/><BR/>Another rhetorical device can be used to make his peace message. Timing is everything.<BR/><BR/>When the Turkish general staff is talking about invading Kerkuk and declaring it to be its "red line" and telling the world it has a right to invade and asserting that Turkey has jurisdiction over Kerkuk, it makes ZERO sense for Ocalan to talk about Misak-i Milli and how Ocalan recognizes the Misak-i Milli borders. <BR/><BR/>I'm astonished anyone can accept such an argument, no matter how profound the peace message behind it.<BR/><BR/>~nistimanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-25321696274574183892008-12-15T11:38:00.000-08:002008-12-15T11:38:00.000-08:00Dear Mizgin I guess I should have explained myself...Dear Mizgin <BR/><BR/>I guess I should have explained myself little more clearly.<BR/><BR/>It seems like every Kurd who have nothing to argue about brings Ocalan's sayings on the table and one of these sayings above!<BR/><BR/>Only explanation that the person above who translated what Ocalan said in a way that he reports would be as you suggest not speaking or understanding Turkish or in my view complete ignorance and badness.<BR/><BR/>If, you think about misaki-milli meaning that adding all Kurdistan to Turkey then we would have open war between Turkey-Iran-Iraq-Syria etc, Why the hell Ocalan who advocates piece messages from his Imrali prison would want whole out war in the ME?<BR/><BR/>Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-77031923174592881332008-12-14T20:06:00.000-08:002008-12-14T20:06:00.000-08:00Akivaeldar, you need to read the quote you provide...Akivaeldar, you need to read the quote you provide. Ocalan is not "suggesting" what YOU suggest. There is nothing there that even comes close to what YOU suggest. Plus you provide no link to the THEORETICAL ANF article you cite.<BR/><BR/>And I don't care what Ali says in his THEORETICAL analysis.<BR/><BR/>Theoretically and practically speaking, I would SUGGEST you need to learn Turkish and proper citation.Mizgînhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01850990661771197094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-24302705196201495612008-12-14T18:22:00.000-08:002008-12-14T18:22:00.000-08:00Dear Akivealder,Do you really think everyone here ...Dear Akivealder,<BR/><BR/>Do you really think everyone here is as stupid as you?<BR/><BR/>If you really refer to what Ocalan mean by misaki-milli then you would quite easy to understand according to his saying that if this applied then there won't be difference between Kerkuk, Suleymani, Amed, Wan or Mahabad. This does not make all of these citiez to join Turkey but Kurdistan which have no borders between the cities or the countries.<BR/><BR/>Simply, during the Ottoman era, all of these Kurdish Cities weren't the part of Turkish Republic but part of the Ottoman Empire. If newly created Turkey really shown effection, care and understanding for the Kurdish people then I am sure today, Kurdistan would have been in the federal states of Turkey as Kurdistan Region or independent state of Kurdistan if the people of Kurdistan really prefered.<BR/><BR/>Please do not believe what others say to you... APOcus or the PKK supporters have probably same size a brain as you do. I believe and accept APO as a leader of the Kurdish people but in the mean time I have my own brain and thinking capabilities. If he says something wrong then I have a brain to judge what he says and considering where he is now and what the enemy do to him I am sure you would understand that a little by given him respect and pasion.<BR/><BR/>I hope that you continue to critize Abdullah Ocalan so that even you can see how stupid that you are!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19312979.post-115822857615902192008-12-13T17:42:00.000-08:002008-12-13T17:42:00.000-08:00Recently Ocalan refered to the Misak Milli pact. A...Recently Ocalan refered to the Misak Milli pact. And was suggesting that Kerkuk/Mosul should be part again of the Missak Milli. But this would mean Mosul and Kerkuk would be added to Turkey, instead of Iraq....<BR/><BR/>Ocalan: Musul ve Kerkük'te misak-ı milliye dâhildi. Konfederalizmle bunları da dâhil ediyorum. Misak-ı Milli önemlidir. Burada Kürtlerin haklarına saygılı olunacağı belirtiliyor. Kürtler ayrılmak istemiyorlardı. Zorla ayırdılar. Benim kastım Kürtlerin haklarıdır. Osmanlı nasıl ki altı yüz yıl boyunca bu bölgede bir güç olarak yönettiyse, eğer böyle bir çözüm geliştirilirse Cumhuriyet de buna öncülük ederek bunu devam ettirebilir." <BR/>- ANF<BR/><BR/>Ali also wrote about this:<BR/>http://books.google.nl/books?id=DosRqg0ZCM4C&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248&dq=Misak-i-Milli+Ocalan&source=bl&ots=Un9AZu-uqi&sig=iwkP6UMz2T32m74D8SnxsyayLHA&hl=nl&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA248,M1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com