1. rightness (n) a: accordance with conscience or morality b: appropriate conduct; doing the right thing c: conformity to fact or truth 2. truth (n) a: the state of being the case b: the body of real things, events, and facts
Monday, April 06, 2009
I TOLD YOU SO
"We have made the Reich by propaganda." ~ Joesph Goebbels.
Miz - it's almost BENEATH commenting on. Taking servility and obsequeiousness to a whole new nadir! We keep getting these Presidents who have either a brain or guts, but never both! If this guy isn't a stooge of neo-liberalism, nobody is!!
Succinctly said, couldn't agree more. One comment. Obama the man and Obama the politician are necessarily two different people. I don't know much about Obama besides what he has written about himself in his books. Nevertheless, I am quite sure that speaking the truth as he knows it is not a luxury he enjoys. That is why, despite including in his obediently worded speech everything but the phrase "I am turk, and I am right", he still met with Ahmet Turk and other members of DTP. This is an important change from the previous administrations(Bush & Clinton as far as I know never met with any Kurdish party). I hope their meeting bears fruit. Lastly, Obama the politician may be entranced with Ataturk's "secular democracy" and proudly lay a wreath on his tomb, but a man like Obama, seeing Turkey with his own eyes for the first time, can only be disturbed by the countless Ataturk monuments, mandatory Ataturk pictures leering over every office or room as if by decree, and the omnipresent atmosphere of ongoing military rule by Turkish fascists.
Of course, of course--a lot of what he said was nonsense. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? There was NEVER any chance that Obama was going to go to Turkey as an honored guest and say the kind of things that would make the readers of this blog stand up and cheer for him. More later: I'm working on my own post analyzing the speech.
Also, see the Obama comment at starting 41 minutes in. He makes a polite(although indirect) reference to satisfying some of PKK demands. Obama mentions George Mitchell his special envoy who has been active in the Northern Ireland peace process as the United States Special Envoy for Northern Ireland. I get from this that Obama sees the peace process with the IRA as a model for the PKK. He also advises Turkish students not to hold stereotypes, which I think is quite clearly aimed at Turkish racism against Kurds. http://themoderatevoice.com/28260/full-video-of-obamas-town-hall-meeting-with-turkish-students-in-istanbul/
Anon. 2, you are truly comic! Obama the man is a beacon of truth and justice and everything good, but he cannot act as such for, uh, reasons. Yes! Good thing people like you can read his mind... and his (pure) heart... and tell us how he really feels! You must be kidding me, mate!
Hello, Anon 2 and Anon 4 were both my(Osvald Veblen's) comments. Thomas, Fair criticism, certainly. I can't read his mind and I don't believe he possesses a pure heart. Beacon of truth or not, he cannot act as such for, uh, a lot of reasons. Firstly, were he to do such a thing(and hold the office he does) he would have been assassinated by now. If you don't think so then you don't know the US. I can't say anything more. This is the most militarized and propagandized country in the world. The US military deep state is fighting a dirty war constantly all over the world, and the US is ground zero in that war(as witnessed in the US state sponsored terror that was 9/11). Have you ever been to a protest in the US? Even when there are thousands marching, the police outnumber the protesters 10 to 1(look at the vids of the 2008 RNC for example). In short, Obama's success in taking control of the most powerful political office in the US could not come by acting according to what is most just and fair.
Osvald, I don't think the IRA thing is going to work. That was an issue back in 2006, after PKK announced it's Democratic Resolution the the Kurdish Question AND it's fifth unilateral ceasefire. The IRA comparison was swept off the table by registered Lockheed Martin lobbyist, Joseph Ralston who had been appointed by the State Department to be the "special envoy" to "coordinate the PKK for Turkey".
What does the US want more? Peace for Kurds and, thereby, for the Middle East, or does it want Turkish boots on the ground in Afghanistan? And when we think about Afghanistan, we need to think of all the information Sibel Edmonds has poured out on that, including the control of Afghanistan's poppy fields because those fields provide the raw material for Turkey's most valuable industry. After all, NATO would hate to see such a valuable commodity fall out of its control.
Then there is the issue of pipelines. And the question of the control of Central Asia.
Thanks for the link to the talk with the university students. Hurriyet also carried the video and I have it bookmarked but have not had time to view it yet.
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Miz - it's almost BENEATH commenting on. Taking servility and obsequeiousness to a whole new nadir! We keep getting these Presidents who have either a brain or guts, but never both! If this guy isn't a stooge of neo-liberalism, nobody is!!
Succinctly said, couldn't agree more. One comment.
Obama the man and Obama the politician are necessarily two different people. I don't know much about Obama besides what he has written about himself in his books. Nevertheless, I am quite sure that speaking the truth as he knows it is not a luxury he enjoys. That is why, despite including in his obediently worded speech everything but the phrase "I am turk, and I am right", he still met with Ahmet Turk and other members of DTP. This is an important change from the previous administrations(Bush & Clinton as far as I know never met with any Kurdish party). I hope their meeting bears fruit. Lastly, Obama the politician may be entranced with Ataturk's "secular democracy" and proudly lay a wreath on his tomb, but a man like Obama, seeing Turkey with his own eyes for the first time, can only be disturbed by the countless Ataturk monuments, mandatory Ataturk pictures leering over every office or room as if by decree, and the omnipresent atmosphere of ongoing military rule by Turkish fascists.
Of course, of course--a lot of what he said was nonsense. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? There was NEVER any chance that Obama was going to go to Turkey as an honored guest and say the kind of things that would make the readers of this blog stand up and cheer for him. More later: I'm working on my own post analyzing the speech.
g.
Remind me, what did he say about the Armenian Genocide when he was campaigning?
Now that's a change we can all believe in.
Also, see the Obama comment at starting 41 minutes in. He makes a polite(although indirect) reference to satisfying some of PKK demands. Obama mentions George Mitchell his special envoy who has been active in the Northern Ireland peace process as the United States Special Envoy for Northern Ireland. I get from this that Obama sees the peace process with the IRA as a model for the PKK. He also advises Turkish students not to hold stereotypes, which I think is quite clearly aimed at Turkish racism against Kurds.
http://themoderatevoice.com/28260/full-video-of-obamas-town-hall-meeting-with-turkish-students-in-istanbul/
Anon. 2, you are truly comic! Obama the man is a beacon of truth and justice and everything good, but he cannot act as such for, uh, reasons. Yes! Good thing people like you can read his mind... and his (pure) heart... and tell us how he really feels! You must be kidding me, mate!
Hello,
Anon 2 and Anon 4 were both my(Osvald Veblen's) comments.
Thomas,
Fair criticism, certainly. I can't read his mind and I don't believe he possesses a pure heart.
Beacon of truth or not, he cannot act as such for, uh, a lot of reasons. Firstly, were he to do such a thing(and hold the office he does) he would have been assassinated by now. If you don't think so then you don't know the US. I can't say anything more. This is the most militarized and propagandized country in the world. The US military deep state is fighting a dirty war constantly all over the world, and the US is ground zero in that war(as witnessed in the US state sponsored terror that was 9/11). Have you ever been to a protest in the US? Even when there are thousands marching, the police outnumber the protesters 10 to 1(look at the vids of the 2008 RNC for example).
In short, Obama's success in taking control of the most powerful political office in the US could not come by acting according to what is most just and fair.
Osvald, I don't think the IRA thing is going to work. That was an issue back in 2006, after PKK announced it's Democratic Resolution the the Kurdish Question AND it's fifth unilateral ceasefire. The IRA comparison was swept off the table by registered Lockheed Martin lobbyist, Joseph Ralston who had been appointed by the State Department to be the "special envoy" to "coordinate the PKK for Turkey".
What does the US want more? Peace for Kurds and, thereby, for the Middle East, or does it want Turkish boots on the ground in Afghanistan? And when we think about Afghanistan, we need to think of all the information Sibel Edmonds has poured out on that, including the control of Afghanistan's poppy fields because those fields provide the raw material for Turkey's most valuable industry. After all, NATO would hate to see such a valuable commodity fall out of its control.
Then there is the issue of pipelines. And the question of the control of Central Asia.
Thanks for the link to the talk with the university students. Hurriyet also carried the video and I have it bookmarked but have not had time to view it yet.
You can see my analysis, if anyone cares, at http://pashagypsy.blogspot.com.
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Gordon, I quoted and carried a link to your analysis here, and I do agree with your conclusions.
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