Sunday, May 18, 2008


"May the prisoners' families not worry. If the prisoners are in the hands of HPG, which they are, they are in good hands. They will not receive any mistreatment. Our people know how the Turkish government treats captive guerrillas. The situation of a guerrilla captured alive is never known."
~ Murat Karayılan.

Here's an example from the commander of the Dağlıca (Oremar) garrison, Lieutenant Colonel Onur Dirik, of how sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone suspect that you're a fool rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Transcription follows.

Do you want to know our most terrible mistake in this incident? It would be inevitable for me to be dismissed due to this error. Do you know what that is? It is the appointment of Ramazan Yüce to that radio. For this incident, I, the company commander, and the branch commander--all three of us--must be fucked because of this error. I am telling you the truth.

If they held a sufficient investigation on this matter, regarding finding the main person who made the error and fucked him, I might have gotten out of it, but someone would definitely be found guilty.

We don't have such an enhanced system right now. That's right, they [the guerrillas] are coming and, if you could not realize that they are coming, then I could understand it to some extent. And you don't actually have to find out because he [Ramazan Yüce] is saying that. He is saying that he is a PKK guy and he is saying that he has been in prison for praising "terrorist" activities, and he has been in prison in Diyarbakir for eight-and-a half months.

What we did was appoint him to the radio, where the "terrorists" have communication. Like I said before, from the troop to the commander of the army, we all made mistakes in this issue. If you did not have any error, he could not exploit this anyway. If there is an operation somewhere, that means definitely there is a mistake somewhere. Everyone must derive their error in the system.

Today I realized that this "terror" incident will not ever end. There were ten mules with ten people, who were "terrorists", in front of us and we asked for helicopters, we asked for reinforcements . . . none of them responded to us. We were going crazy while they were passing in front of us, where we could not do anything because we could not get any permission to attack them. And we waited like idiots there and we don't even know who we are serving. Right now we know that if we are here, we are here for nothing. Our commanders did not order us to attack them. They told us to let them go.

We must have policies that we can implement toward the villagers. These policies must be "fuck-off" policies; these policies must be "I-fuck-your-mothers" policies; these must be "you-are-a-traitor" policies. I fuck the villagers, but I have to use them.

There was an asshole general there, Ali Duvar Ince was his name. He is a bastard; he's not even worth a cent. No one loves him; he's a dog. Son of a bitch. And there is a major who is a very good man; he is trying to do his best in the system. But the commander was not working in harmony with the others. Sometimes he received orders that he had to send some troops somewhere, and he was complaining about such orders, which . . . you are a soldier there and you can't complain; you have to obey the rules. This is a kind of medieval lieutenant.

Then we tried to normalize our relationship with the colonel of Çukurca but there wasn't any way to normalize it. They had a kind of illegal drug-trafficking between the lieutenants there, and I revealed the organization. And I brought that report and put it in front of the colonel, and the colonel just fucked all of those lieutenants because of their activities. And he's referring to the headquarters general staff as bastards. Such a critical issue just perished in the controversies among themselves.

When my commander came, I mentioned this to him and he said,"I wish you had told me before," and since he said "I wish," I realized he didn't know anything about this and I didn't go further because later on if we had gone through that he would say, "Why didn't you tell me in time?" and everyone would blame each other for not telling the truth on time. This was an issue which was directly related to the general staff; therefore, when his commander came, I didn't say anything to him.

These were the two issues that I was highly concerned with. And another issue, about Ramazan Yüce, those weapons that did not fire . . . I swear I do not get sad about those eight prisoners. I fuck their mothers; I don't care about them. And on the second day of the operation, those weapons did not fire again. If they could shoot at least ten rounds, I'm sure one or two of them would have hit those guys [guerrillas]. Then I told myself, and at that time I didn't think about it, but right now I am thinking that if I had known that, I would have told the guy on artillery to bomb those "kidnapped" soldiers--our soldiers.

I find it very difficult to believe that a lieutenant colonel in the TSK has to ask, and then wait, for permission to fire on HPG guerrillas. The only thing that Lieutenant Colonel Dirik is doing here is whining and covering his ass. What a total loser.

already has something on this scandal, but naturally it's a whitewash.

Since old Onur is worried about having assigned Ramazan Yüce as a radio operator, let's review some facts about Yüce:

While seven of them are being tried for sentences ranging from 3-5 years, Private Ramazan Yüce might end up spending the rest of his life in jail. Why the huge discrepancy? The short answer: because of his Kurdish origins.

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Yüce's impeccable record during his military service, however, is making it difficult for the prosecutor to make the case against him. Yüce's been awarded by his superiors numerous letters of merit for distinguished performance, which is why he was entrusted with as crucial a duty as thermal-camera operation and radio interception in the first place. Moreover, ironically, it was his ability to speak Kurdish that made it possible for him to operate as a radio interceptor. And yet, this asset became a major liability since his capture by the PKK. In order to frame Yüce as a "mole" in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, the military prosecutor has gone to extraordinary lengths and peppered his indictment with preposterous allegations. For instance, it is alleged in the indictment that a couple days before the incident, Yüce was overheard saying that "Our [Kurdish] girls are better looking. As soon as I am discharged I'll go join them on the mountains. I'm a terrorist." As one Turkish columnist duly noted, if Yüce had indeed uttered these kinds of statements within earshot of other soldiers in the virulently nationalist military environment of the barracks, he should be sent to a mental institution to check for his mental competence to stand trial.

In comparison, here's a video showing the prisoners of war from the Dağlıca operation, playing chess and chatting about football with HPG guerrillas:

Yeah, I bet those former POWs wish they were back in the mountains with the guerrillas.


Gordon Taylor said...


This is priceless. This is why I check your blog twice a day to see if something new has come up. But I'm missing something. I didn't catch where Lt. Col. Onur Bey's statement came from. Where did you get it?

Anonymous said...

It was my question too, dear Mizgin: where Lt. Col. Onur Bey's statement came from. Where did you get it?


Mizgîn said...

Gordon and Elisher, I first noticed this video on Youtube on Saturday night, 17 May. There are several postings of it on Youtube, and here's the one I used:

There are also these:

However, none of those give any indication as to where this video comes from or who recorded the audio. Notice, too, that they are all the same video.

Whoever recorded this was someone who 1) had the technology to use a cell phone to listen in on him and record or 2) was close enough to him, and had enough rank, for him to speak freely in their presence . . . perhaps with others present, too.

Given that in the last year there have been a number of "leaks" that were not at all showing TSK in a favorable light (i.e. the "leak" about an admiral's diary that outlined a potential coup a couple of years ago which, when published by Nokta, got Nokta shut down. And then there was a blacklist of journalists "leaked" by someone in the Genelkurmay offices), my guess is that whoever leaked this audio is probably with AKP. There were suspicions of AKP involvement with the previous "leaks".

Now you know why Youtube is banned in Turkey. Such banning has nothing to do with Greeks making videos showing Mustafa Kemal in a tutu. It's stuff like this, or like the video of Munir Erten, that the regime wants silenced.

Anonymous said...

I thought AKP was working together with the army to 'destroy the Kurds'.

Mizgîn said...

They are, Anonymous. And if you followed Turkish politics, you would know that they are fighting each other and have been for quite some time.

You would also know that the only thing the Turkish political players can agree on is the annihilation of Kurds.